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Hi All,

 

There was an article in a recent edition of Women's Health magazine regarding Binge Eating Disorder (BED) http://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/womens-health/health/in-focus/article/-/20790390/the-eating-disorder-no-one-talks-about/ .

 

I was wondring if anyone had ever heard of this or been diagnosed with this?

 

Reading the symptoms, that could have quite easily been me pre-banding and it has got me thinking if the only reason i don't continue that behaviour is because now I physically cant? I do want to speak with my GP about it but i have only recently changed GPs and it seems like something they would dismiss? I know the GP i've stopped using would dismiss it and probably tell me I was depressed (its her go to diagnosis, I'm not depressed).

 

I'm not prepared to go to a psychologist just to find out more information on a disorder that they probably know nothing about either as they are much too expensive for that.

 

Thanks;

 

ZH

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I have binge eating disorder and am considering lap banding. I am concerned that I will still eat the things I love such as ice cream and fail and waste my money on surgery. I am seeing my surgeon in a week to discuss if I will be suitable for surgery.

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Not formally diagnosed, but I have long suspected that is my problem. Heck, I even answer yes to all 6 questions at the bottom of that link.

 

Unfortunately, the band hasn't really been a way for me to get around it, as chocolate, biscuits and milk still go down without a problem. That is why I have gained 10kg back. I really should get some actual help,  but as you say, it's so expensive, not just in money but time as well.

 

Foodaholic - my surgeon spoke strongly to me before having the band, that as my comfort foods are sliders (icecream falls into that category) that he said it will be a long hard road, and I need to be mentally very strong. Obviously I'm not... I am still 15kg down, but it's really hard, and the 10kg I gained back makes me feel worse than ever.

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Prior to banding I would have been 6/6, post banding I'm down to 3/6. Part of me worries that I caused my band slippage that I had earlier in the year by over eating but then theres another part of me that says to my self I'm using a potential BED diagnosis as an excuse for not having enough self discipline and willpower to control what I put in my mouth.

 

Certainly I think that there would be a percentage of people who undergo bariatric surgery of some kind who have this disorder and are undiagnosed. It would explain the varying success rates.

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I have been formally diagnosed by py psychologist with binge eating disorder. Started getting treatment around 4-5 years ago. I have it under control now - most of the time

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Before being banded I would have scored a 5/6 (I didn't hide food), but now, I'd only score a 1/6. (I still feel guilty if I eat more than I should ... certainly not bingeing but more than a bandit sized serve ... still small compared to what 'normal' people eat.)

Reading articles like this make me realise just how much my life has changed.

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Interesting, i binge on chocolate and usually when no one is around, and when my husband started being cluey about the chocolates dissappearing i would start buying new packets to replace them so that he didn't know how much i ate!

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I suspect I suffer from this too. I'm so worried I'm going to stretch my sleeve but I just cant help myself from finishing what's in front of me on my plate and sometimes it makes me so sick. Im defiantly sure I have stretched it as I'm finding it less and less difficult to finish my breakfast of egg on toast and I constantly compare my self to what people months or even years ahead of me can fit in their tiny tummy's. I am always thinking of food even if I have just finished eating. Although I have lost 33kg in the last month or so I have stalled every fortnight and it disheartens me :( 

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I think this is me too. Unfortunately with the band you can still binge on sliders, which was always my problem anyway.

 

Kazbo, can you tell us about the treatment and what typically you do with the skrink? I've been considering going to one for a while but I've never quite got the nerve.

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I have often thought i might have some sort of eating disorder and i seem to fit into the category for binge eating disorder too well to just ignore it. I did used to see a psychologist but although she was great for my issues with depression, self eateem etc i never found it had much effect on my eating, i now suspect thats because she thought my eating habits were related primarily to depression whereas i actually perhaps have binge eating disorder, i know these things are all intermingled but yeah.

Kazbo, who is it that you saw about your binge eating disorder? I've been thinking lately that i need to see someone again but have been a little reluctant to see my previous psychologist as i didn't find her particularly helpful with my eating issues, plus i spoke to her about the possibility of getting the band/sleeve prior to getting it and she wasn't overly supportive of it, just suggested trying some special kind of diet, can't remember which one it was now.

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for me it includes using an anti-depressant ( I am on an SSRI called aropax) and I see a psychologist for cognitive behaviour therapy.

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Scoots - I see Dr Adele Hamilton in Turner. She specialises in eating disorders and is just fabulous. She lectures at ANU specifically on eating disorders and has been in this specialty for many years. She can be a little hard to get in to because she is so respected, but she does her best to accommodate as many new patients as possible. FWIW she doesn't have a high opinion of the new psych services through our clinic because she says that they seem to use PHD or clinical psych students to use the WLS clients almost like research experiments without much consideration for the long term support and treatment.

 

I see her under a mental health care plan which I set up with my GP. So she charges me $125 and I take the receipt to Medicare and get that $125 back. I believe that for some other newer patients she charges a little more so there may be a gap payment. She doesn't do the over the counter Medicare refunds like some doctor surgeries do these days.

 

JouJou - I see Adele for depression, anxiety, other OCD as well as binge eating. I mainly go and talk to her, she helps me to put things into perspective, guides my thinking towards more positive thoughts...also kicks me in the pants. She sets 'rules' for me (i.e. no eating while driving, only eating meals at the dining table, etc) which I agree with (we basically set these rules together). We have taken small steps over the years to the point now that if I start an OCD binge, I can recognise it quickly and adjust my behaviour accordingly.

 

TBH it has been so long since those early days when I was a bingeing wreck and it all seems a little strange now that I cant really remember specific details about what was discussed and what occurred back then.

 

The biggest thing for me was to work on the shame, guilt, disgust feelings that go along with it.

 

Anyone can go on to the Australian Psychological Society webpage and search for psychologists and clinical psychologists via postcode and by specialty.

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MandyMoo

 

I urge you and implore you to GO GET HELP! you could stretch your sleeve. You can also cause a leak from overeating.

 

On another forum I go on there have been sleevers 2+ years post op who have given themselves a leak through over eating.

 

Leaks can kill.

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Pretty sure I have this. Wish I had the money to pursue some therapy.

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Scoots - I see Dr Adele Hamilton in Turner. She specialises in eating disorders and is just fabulous. She lectures at ANU specifically on eating disorders and has been in this specialty for many years. She can be a little hard to get in to because she is so respected, but she does her best to accommodate as many new patients as possible. FWIW she doesn't have a high opinion of the new psych services through our clinic because she says that they seem to use PHD or clinical psych students to use the WLS clients almost like research experiments without much consideration for the long term support and treatment.

I see her under a mental health care plan which I set up with my GP. So she charges me $125 and I take the receipt to Medicare and get that $125 back. I believe that for some other newer patients she charges a little more so there may be a gap payment. She doesn't do the over the counter Medicare refunds like some doctor surgeries do these days.

JouJou - I see Adele for depression, anxiety, other OCD as well as binge eating. I mainly go and talk to her, she helps me to put things into perspective, guides my thinking towards more positive thoughts...also kicks me in the pants. She sets 'rules' for me (i.e. no eating while driving, only eating meals at the dining table, etc) which I agree with (we basically set these rules together). We have taken small steps over the years to the point now that if I start an OCD binge, I can recognise it quickly and adjust my behaviour accordingly.

TBH it has been so long since those early days when I was a bingeing wreck and it all seems a little strange now that I cant really remember specific details about what was discussed and what occurred back then.

The biggest thing for me was to work on the shame, guilt, disgust feelings that go along with it.

Anyone can go on to the Australian Psychological Society webpage and search for psychologists and clinical psychologists via postcode and by specialty.

Kazbo, your honesty and openness continue to blow me away. Your contribution to this forum makes such a difference. We're so lucky to have you!

Kx

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I am definitely a binge eater. At my worsed I would replace food I ate , hide packaging ,pretend I wasnt hungry because I'd eaten so much. Banded for 6 years and in the last 3 have slowly put on 12 kilos because of eating chocolate,cheese and biscuits. Have decidedcto revisit my Dr whom I haven't been to since the end of 2011. Had alot of issues emotional,depression,anxiety attacks and have been on anti depressants for 15 plus yrs. I really want to loose those extra kilos I put on as I felt and looked so much better. Never reached my goal weight but I just want to stop the kilo creep.

Thanks Sue.

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ToquayKate....thank you for your very kind words :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

 

If I can help one person feel like they are not alone and that there is help out there, then it was worthwhile :wub:

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Leanne

 

Talk to your GP about a mental health care plan. If you see a psychologist (as opposed to a clinical psychologist) you should be able to access 6 'vouchers' per year which will enable you to see someone at no cost to you. I was seeing Adele for a few years whilst on a pension and poor part time income through this system.

 

Because of changes to mental health funding (don't get me started there) the govt changed it so that clinical psychologists cannot access these 'vouchers' which means that people like me have to pay up front then claim the Medicare rebate back. Fortunately my psych has a philosophy that this kind of help and support should be available to everyone, not just the better off. Thanks god!

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I have seen many psycholists, councellors, dieticians etc for my eating issues however no one has ever been able to help me. I have had depression for 30 + years and am on an anti depressant. Binge eating is a mental disorder and I also have other issues such as low self esteem etc. I sabotarge myself all the time with food and relationships.

This is my absolute last chance at losing weight as not able to work anymore due to anxiety and depression and don't have the money. I also feel like I am a failure for having to resort to this but just can't lose weight anymore. I have been overweight most of my life and really feel like i have wasted my life being unhappy with my weight.

Seeing the doctor on Monday but I have been told he has a waiting list of 3-4 months for the operation. I just don't know what to do for the best.

This site is great as I love reading the information. Thank you :rolleyes:

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If money is an obstacle to care, you could consider asking your GP about local bulk-billing psychologists. There is no fixed fee for Overeaters Anonymous

 

Years ago I used to go to a general "eating issues" group on my university campus, and this was very helpful. My eating is much more organised nowadays (e.g I don't eat after dinner, I don't eat in the car, I don't add to the serve I place on my plate). 

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there are a number of organisations that may be able to offer advice or assistance:

 

Overeaters Anonymous (thanks Emily)

The Butterfly Foundation www.thebutterflyfoundation.org.au

Beyond Blue

www.eatingdisorders.org.au

Eating Disorders Helplines www.nedc.com.au

Eating Disorders Association www.eda.org.au

SANE Australia www.sane.org

 

This is only a sample of what websites and organisations are out there.

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Thanks Emily and Kazbo for the information. I am currently seeing a psychologist on the plan but not for my weight issues. Kazbo the list you have given is great and I have spoken to The Butterfly Foundation, however they only help people with anerexia and bulima. The other links have good information but I live in NSW and they are for Victoria and QLD. I have read a lot of information but for some reason I always turn to food. Thanks for the support.

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Thanks Emily and Kazbo for the information. I am currently seeing a psychologist on the plan but not for my weight issues. Kazbo the list you have given is great and I have spoken to The Butterfly Foundation, however they only help people with anerexia and bulima. The other links have good information but I live in NSW and they are for Victoria and QLD. I have read a lot of information but for some reason I always turn to food. Thanks for the support.

Is it just me, or does the fact that eating disorder clinics/help generally seemed to be focused on anorexia and bulimia make you mad? It's like as if anorexia and bulima are the "real" illnesses but obesity related issues are just people being fat and lazy. grrrr I've often thought what is needed to treat obesity is rehab, just like alcoholics and drug addicts. Yes, there are some "fat camp" type programs but my goodness they cost a fortune (like thousands a week to be in those places).

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Is it just me, or does the fact that eating disorder clinics/help generally seemed to be focused on anorexia and bulimia make you mad? It's like as if anorexia and bulima are the "real" illnesses but obesity related issues are just people being fat and lazy.

Probably because being severely underweight puts people in more immediate danger than people who are overweight. Im not saying being morbidly obese isnt dangerous, (of course it is) but in most circumstances, a severe anorexic could starve to death long before someone will eat themselves to a heart attack.

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