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#1 danrau

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 09:42 PM

Hi All,

I am about to get banded in about a month and am quite excited but I just have a question regarding binge eating and lapbands ( i realise these are also questions for health professionals but i thought it would also be useful to get people's personal experiences).

My weight has yo-yo'ed my entire life and this occurs because I essentially binge eat. My basic theory with lapband is that it won't get rid of the emotional shit that causes all the bingeing but it will physically reduce the amount of food i can binge on in any one sitting. Correct? I should also clarify that i don't binge on sweet things like ice cream or chocolate (that would be easy to get past a lapband) but binge on vast amounts of food (i.e. One or sometimes even 2 pizzas :wacko: ) in less than half an hour. I figure at the very least, banding will stop huge amounts of food being consumed quickly, yes? I don't have so much of a problem with grazing, just more bingeing.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation where a lap band was used to control binge eating? Also, and more importantly, did anyone's 'binge food' change after they were banded? I guess i am just concerned that if the bingeing is emotional then I may just switch to chocolate or something else that I can get down (although I still don't think this is likely given my bingeing relates to feeling as full as possible).

Sorry for the essay. Any thoughts would be great to hear.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 10:23 PM

Here's one article from the press (ie, take it with a big grain of salt - its light on statistical data) which paints a fairly negative view.
I'm not posting it because I think its a great article, but because I think some of the points it raises are valid. eg. people who binge eat may binge eat as a form of stress relief or something else. Take that away suddenly and without new coping mechanisms in place before surgery, and things could go pear shaped for some people.
Anyway, here's the article. See if it 'rings true' in some way.

By COURTNEY HUTCHISON, ABC News Medical Unit
June 13, 2011

Weight-loss surgery was supposed to be Chevese Turner's salvation -- a last resort in her battle against obesity and binge eating. Instead, her 2007 lap band procedure catapulted her into full-blown bulimia.

"I had always struggled with binge eating, and my relationships with food didn't change just because of the lap band. Even though binging is really painful when your stomach is restricted like that, I would still binge knowing that I would throw it up. I felt like finally I could be bulimic, like this was what I wanted all along," says Turner, 43, of Soverna Park, Md.

Turner knew she had a binge eating disorder going into surgery, but after experiencing cardiac complications attributed to a lifetime of yo-yo dieting, she was desperate to lose weight. Instead of solving her overeating problem, however, the surgery only changed its form: for 18 months following the surgery Turner regularly binged and purged.

When multiple traditional diet methods fail, weight-loss procedures such as the band are seen as a last hope for getting obese patients to eat more healthfully and lose weight. For an underrecognized minority of patients, however, the surgery only triggers a different kind of disordered eating. For Turner, it was bulimia, for others, it's anorexia. For one fellow patient in Turner's community, the anorexia was so severe that it ultimately took his life.

Sixty percent of individuals seeking treatment for obesity have some kind of eating disorder, usually binge eating, according to a 2007 Harvard study. It is these individuals, who already have an unhealthy relationship with food and their bodies, who are at most risk of developing further eating disorders post-surgery, says Lisa Lilenfeld, a psychologist and president of the Eating Disorders Coalition at Argosy University in Washington, D.C.

Lap band or gastric bypass surgery is not likely to create an eating disorder where there wasn't one, she explains, but "the most likely thing is that people had untreated or unsuccessfully treated binge eating disorders before surgery will continue to have problems after surgery. The problem is, it becomes physically challenging and potentially dangerous to binge like this because of the structural changes in the stomach," she says.

On the other end of the spectrum, patients who used to overeat now overshoot with their weight loss, severely limiting their caloric intake to the point of malnutrition and anorexia.

Because there are so no statistics on how many of these patients experience eating disorders post-op, it's difficult to gauge the scope of this issue and there is much debate over its prevalence between the surgeons who perform the procedures and the therapists who treat eating disorders down the line. Dr. Mitch Roslin, a bariatric surgeon at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York, has performed thousands of bariatric surgeries and he says he only sees one or two cases a year of eating disorders, but psychologist Lilenfeld believes it's much more common than that.

Technically, those with diagnosable eating disorders are not advised to undergo weight-loss procedures, but because each hospital and insurance company has different psychological screening requirements, many patients with mental health problems slip through the cracks.

In some cases, psychological screenings consist of asking only a couple of basic questions that don't even address eating disorders or mental health concerns, says Dr. Leslie Seppinni, a therapist who specializes in treating obesity. "Then after the surgery, most doctors fail their patients in terms of follow-up. There are some group sessions with other patients, but that's about it."

Because of insufficient screening or deception, Lilenfeld says about a third of all patients who undergo weight-loss procedures are believed to have "severe binge eating disorder" going into surgery, though not all of these patients will go on to develop other eating disorders post-op.


Anorexia/Bulimia After Surgery: Medical or Emotional?
One of the reasons that true anorexia and bulimia may not be recognized after bariatric surgery is that the symptoms of these eating disorders can mimic some of the expected adverse effects of the surgery.

In the months following surgery, the stomach has to heal and slowly expand, which makes eating difficult and sometimes painful. Patients who eat too much will sometimes throw up because it's the only way to relieve the pain in their stomach, not because they are compulsively trying to get rid of calories. Similarly, the indigestion, diarrhea and acid reflux that can occur post-op leads some patients to avoid eating altogether just because eating becomes an unpleasant experience. These patients will become malnourished and resemble anorexics, but the psychological aspect of the disorder is not there.

It is important to distinguish between these medical reasons for anorexic/bulimic behavior and true, psychological cases of eating disorders, says Seppinni, who has travelled the country interviewing people about their experience with obesity, weight loss and bariatric surgery. In true cases of eating disorders, it's about the addiction to overeating getting transmuted into another addiction. For some, they become compulsive exercisers, for others, alcoholics, for still others, anorexics. "You take away the coping strategy they've been using all their lives, and the addiction has to go somewhere else," she says.

The "loss" of binging as a coping strategy was palpable for Turner following her surgery. "I lay in bed and cried for a week because I couldn't eat. Eating was the way I soothed myself my whole life. As soon as I could binge again, even though it was extremely painful, I did," she says.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 10:32 PM

Helen also posted this a few days ago - so stuggles continue.
http://www.bandingto...__fromsearch__1

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:02 PM

Ahhh, here's some better information!
Jump to the summary at the end if scientific studies aren't your thing.

http://www.eatingdis...edr_20_1_1.html

Summary

It is clear from this review that disordered eating and eating disorders can proceed, re-emerge, or develop after bariatric surgery. It also appears that such problems may have a negative impact on surgery outcome. Eating disorder professionals who work with bariatric patients need to be aware of these issues. In addition to gathering additional data, the next step for research in this area is to study possible interventions for these patients to minimize such problems and maximize weight loss and other positive surgical outcomes.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:52 AM

HI Danrau

Gato's articles are useful and I applaud him for posting them. What I am wondering, however, is whether there is a psychologist connected with your clinic. If so I feel this is an issue that is best explored with him / her. There are many emotional reasons why we overeat and these are not solved by getting banded. But if banding is going to succeed, then they need to be addressed along the way.

Hope that helps
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:27 PM

View PostJunior, on 21 February 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

Gato's articles are useful and I applaud him for posting them.


Hey Junior, this him's a her (not that you had any way of knowing).

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:41 PM

Thank goodness you cleared that up-I thought you were a her and I got it wrong :wacko: Don't know where you get all your info but a big thank you as it saves me lots of time and usually always an interesting and informative read. *insert thumbs up emoticon here*

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 06:36 AM

View PostGato, on 21 February 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:



Hey Junior, this him's a her (not that you had any way of knowing).

Oops..sorry. I stand (sit?) corrected!

People often think the same of me because of my username. I am also female -_-

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:11 AM

eating disorders usually exclude you from having a band, vomiting after eating with a band in can result in stomach erosion - and then things go downhill from there. I've noticed a lot of people seem to think the band is about restricting your intake - its actually about satiety. Having a band does not stop you eating, it just slows you down, so you can still binge if you want - but it will slow down how much you can take in.



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